Swinney says independence is 'very close' as SNP conference closes
John Swinney closed the SNP conference by saying the stars are aligning for independence and a new referendum campaign has begun, despite Andy Burnham declining to grant a vote.
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John Swinney has closed the SNP's annual conference in Aberdeen by telling members that the stars are aligning for Scottish independence and that the referendum campaign has already begun. In his first conference speech since the SNP won a fifth successive Holyrood election in May, the First Minister said 2026 had been a turning point and that Scotland was ready for independence.
Mr Swinney said nationalist first ministers now led Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland after his pact with Plaid Cymru and Sinn Fein, and claimed unionists in Westminster were united in their panic. He argued that Westminster parties were weaker than ever and that support for independence was leading in poll after poll, citing one survey at 54%. Other reporting put support at around 50% and noted that independence ranked low among voters' priorities, with one pollster placing it 12th overall and third among SNP supporters.
His speech was a retort to Prime Minister Andy Burnham, who visited Scotland during the conference and offered cooperation on devolution, including possible Department for Work and Pensions employment support, while saying power should move from Holyrood to local communities. Mr Burnham has said constitutional debate is a waste of time and has rejected a second independence referendum. The SNP argued he had not explicitly ruled one out during this parliament when questioned, and that his willingness to reopen the Brexit debate exposed a double standard.
Mr Swinney wants a referendum before the end of the parliamentary term, by 2031. He invited Mr Burnham to the conference to discuss the timing and said Mr Burnham could only prove he would not be the last UK prime minister by allowing a vote. Mr Burnham did not attend the conference, though SNP figures said he had been issued a pass. He wrote to Mr Swinney later saying the subject was off limits, after appearing at Prime Minister's Questions to acknowledge circumstances in which a referendum could be legitimate.
The SNP launched Choose Scotland, described as its biggest independence campaign since 2014. It aims to contact 1.5 million people by doorsteps and online, with billboards and a possible party political broadcast, and to work with other pro-independence groups. Mr Swinney also promised to extend the £2 bus fare cap across Aberdeen and the north east, bring buses under public control before the next Holyrood election, introduce a bill to make misogyny a specific criminal offence before the summer recess, fund community groups against racism and the far right, and spend £1 million educating boys and young men about the dangers they can pose to women and girls. Conference passed a motion calling for a UK-wide ban on X and urged the Scottish government to stop using it.
Mr Swinney repeatedly accused Mr Burnham's government of eroding pensions by changing the triple lock, claiming Scottish pensioners would lose out by £2,000 a year. Interviewers and the Institute for Fiscal Studies disputed his claim that pensioners would lose their pensions, saying the change would slow increases rather than cut payments. Mr Swinney defended his language and said the SNP would keep the triple lock. He also faced questions about the jailing of former SNP chief executive Peter Murrell for embezzlement, saying the conduct was criminal and had damaged the party, and about transport secretary Stephen Flynn not knowing about a ferry gas leak.
On oil and gas, Mr Swinney said the UK government must decide whether Rosebank and Jackdaw pass a carbon test, arguing approval could be rational if emissions were lower than importing fuel. The SNP's position marked a shift from its previous presumption against new licences. A SNP minister said an independent Scotland would be a non-nuclear NATO member with a maritime defence focus, and claimed it could protect North Atlantic assets better than the UK.
Closing the conference, Mr Swinney said: Scotland is no city, we are no region, we are a nation and soon we will be an independent nation. He added that the referendum campaign on Scottish independence had already begun. Both he and Mr Burnham are now trying to win hearts, but the legal power to hold a referendum still rests with the UK government.
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Key Claims
Claims reported during this story's coverage, grouped by how many channels reported each one. Select a dot to see the source excerpt.
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| Reported by a few · 2–5 channels | ||||||||
| Swinney said the timing of a Scottish independence referendum should be discussed and it should be held before 2031. | Reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by GB News | Reported by Sky News | |||
| Andy Burnham had effectively turned down a second independence referendum. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Reported by ITV | |||
| The SNP launched its biggest campaign for Scottish independence since the 2014 referendum. | Reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Reported by Sky News | ||
| John Swinney called on the Prime Minister to agree to an independence referendum. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| Swinney said any approval of the Jackdaw gas field must be compatible with net zero on carbon impact. | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by GB News | Reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | ||
| The SNP conference was due to take place the following week, from Thursday to Saturday, in Aberdeen at the TECA venue, which normally hosts oil and gas expos. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Reported by BBC One | Reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| Andy Burnham is expected to visit Scotland later this week while John Swinney prepares for the SNP conference in Aberdeen. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| Andy Burnham offered to work with the Scottish government on devolution while wanting power shifted from Holyrood to local communities. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Reported by ITV | |
| John Swinney will say 2026 is a turning point in the journey towards Scottish statehood. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by ITV | Reported by Sky News | |
| Polling showed majority support for Scottish independence by a slim margin. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Reported by Sky News | |
| Polling suggested Andy Burnham was more popular in Scotland than Swinney, including one survey with Burnham on plus nine net favourability and Swinney on minus 90. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | |
| Swinney pledged to make misogyny a specific criminal offence in Scotland. | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Reported by Sky News | |
| Swinney said he wanted more engagement from Westminster and would welcome the Prime Minister at the SNP conference. | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by Sky News | ||
| Swinney said the Scottish independence referendum campaign had already begun. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | ||
| Swinney said Westminster unionists were panicking because nationalist leaders now held office in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | ||
| Swinney was expected to say that momentum was building for Scottish independence. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Reported by Sky News | |
| Only on one channel | ||||||||
| A pollster said independence ranked 12th among the public's major issues and third among SNP supporters, behind the cost of living and the NHS. | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| Alan Smith said the SNP would accept the outcome if it lost a referendum. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News |
| An SNP minister said an independent Scotland would be a normal non-nuclear member of NATO. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| An SNP minister said Westminster's resistance to an independence referendum cannot stand. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| Andy Burnham made his first major speech in Scotland as Prime Minister a day earlier and made the positive case for the Union. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by Sky News | |
| FOI documents showed Stephen Flynn had been briefed before a Holyrood committee, despite earlier suggestions he had not been. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News |
| ITV reported that the SNP had shifted from its previous presumption against new oil and gas licences. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by Sky News | |
| John Swinney said changes to the triple lock would leave Scottish pensioners £2,000 a year worse off. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| John Swinney said Stephen Flynn had not seen briefing material or read his emails before the transport committee. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| John Swinney was called on to set out a path to independence for SNP members and politicians. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| John Swinney was due to address the SNP conference on Saturday, his first since winning the Holyrood election in May and leading the SNP to a fifth consecutive term. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| Keith Brown said the SNP's 58 seats gave it the largest lead over the second party in the history of the Scottish Parliament, even though it lost seats. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News |
| SNP minister Alan Smith said the party's goal was for Scotland to be an independent state within the EU. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News |
| Swinney announced funding to tackle racism and the far right. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Reported by Sky News |
| Swinney pledged to bring buses back under public control. | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| Swinney promised £1m to educate boys and young men about the dangers they pose to women and girls. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| Swinney said allowing a Scottish independence referendum was the only way Andy Burnham could prove he would not be the last UK prime minister. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News |
| Swinney said Peter Murrell's embezzlement damaged the SNP and was criminal and unacceptable. | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| Swinney said the first ministers in Edinburgh, Cardiff and Belfast support Scotland's right to self-determination. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News | |
| The campaign involves surveying 1.5 million people. | Reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News |
| The SNP was moving into its 20th year of running Scotland. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Not reported by Sky News |
| There is still no real plan for how Swinney will achieve a referendum. | Not reported by Channel 5 | Not reported by BBC News | Not reported by BBC One | Not reported by BBC Two | Not reported by Channel 4 | Not reported by GB News | Not reported by ITV | Reported by Sky News |
Channel Perspectives
What each channel focused on, with key quotes.
A long sit-down interview with John Swinney in Perth. It pressed him on Andy Burnham, the union, the pensions triple lock and Stephen Flynn's ferry briefing, with a sceptical tone on his pension claims.
- “the only way that he can do that is by enabling the people of Scotland to have a choice about their own constitutional future”
- “Pensioners in Scotland are going to lose out because of the abolition of the triple lock”
- “for the first time ever, the three of the four component parts of the United Kingdom are led by first ministers who want their countries to leave the United Kingdom”
A preview of the SNP conference in Aberdeen that noted the venue's history and the challenge Swinney faces in setting out a route to independence after Burnham's rejection. It framed the conference as a test of how the SNP can move beyond rhetoric.
- “The problem for John Swinney is he needs to try and set out for his party members and his politicians a path towards independence”
- “as Andy Burnham has effectively turned down a second independence referendum”
- “the SNP conference is due to take place at the end of next week. In Aberdeen”
An eve-of-conference interview that covered Murrell, Sturgeon, Burnham, Jackdaw and a homeless shelter, plus a later package on the Choose Scotland campaign and the low salience of independence in polling. It had a human-interest and accountability focus.
- “I could only express my deep deep disappointment at her to what he did because it damaged the SNP”
- “the party's launching a new choose scotland campaign to try boost support for independence”
- “it's 12th on the list of big issues even for SNP supporters it's only number three”
A Swinney interview focused on the referendum timetable, Burnham's refusal, polling and oil and gas, plus a later report on the conference closing and the SNP's motion to ban X. It stressed the practical route to a vote.
- “I want there to be a referendum on the question of Scottish independence during this parliamentary term”
- “That clear evidence now is 52% including don't know”
- “It's a definite shift in direction from the SNP, who previously had a presumption against new licences”
A combative Swinney interview in Aberdeen that pushed him on Burnham's popularity, the 2031 timetable, the 2014 pensions promise, the Greens and oil and gas. It also covered his keynote and policy pledges.
- “I seem to be very much in Andy Burnham's head”
- “Of course it's realistic”
- “If the carbon emissions from these developments is lower than importing those resources from other jurisdictions, then there is a rational basis for approving these applications”
An interview with SNP minister Alan Smith that gave a strongly pro-independence and pro-EU case, including defence and pensions. It was less focused on Burnham's rejection and more on the SNP's argument for leaving the UK.
- “Everybody at Westminster knows that it's when, not if”
- “If we have a referendum and we lose, I'll accept that result”
- “We're going to be a normal non-nuclear member of NATO”
A conference-opening report that focused on Swinney's claim of growing consensus, Brexit and pensions as changed circumstances, and Burnham's apparent PMQs concession followed by his letter saying the subject is off limits.
- “We have seen Scotland taken out of the European Union against our will”
- “He subsequently stepped back from those comments, writing to John Swinney saying that the subject is off limits”
- “The SNP says it is launching the biggest campaign for Scottish independence since the referendum more than a decade ago”
A report on Burnham's devolution speech during SNP conference and the political threat he poses, including stark polling on his popularity against Swinney. SNP figures denied Burnham was a threat.
- “Do you think Andy Burnham is a threat to the SNP? No. Is the sky blue?”
- “Latest polls show the new PM has a net favourability rating of nine north of the border, compared to minus 90 for John Swinney”
- “offering to work with First Minister John Swinney to push power out of Westminster and Holyrood to empower local communities”
A detailed report and interview on Burnham's devolution offer, SNP complaints about his refusal to allow a referendum, and the polling and tactical context. It highlighted the contradiction the SNP sees in Burnham reopening Brexit but not Scottish independence.
- “I think it's strange for a Prime Minister who claims to be all about devolution, to come up to Scotland for the first real visit and rule out Scotland's right to decide”
- “The PM offered to devolve powers from the Department of Work and Pensions around employment support so local communities can develop their own models”
- “they want to focus on the fact that Burnham didn't explicitly rule out a second independence referendum during this Parliament when asked in a Q&A afterwards”
Short updates on Swinney's keynote and the SNP's X ban motion. The coverage stressed that polling support for independence was only a slim majority and that Swinney was trying to build momentum after 20 years in power.
- “Today the SNP leader is expected to say that the stars are aligning in the campaign for independence”
- “John Swinney will be buoyed by polling both today and at the very start of his conference that shows majority support for independence, albeit by a slim margin”
- “A motion to ban the social media site X from the entire UK”
Coverage of Swinney's keynote that focused on his optimistic tone, the 54% poll he cited, policy announcements and the legal barrier that Westminster must grant a referendum. It mixed enthusiasm with scepticism about how a vote would happen.
- “The stars are aligning in our favor in Holyrood the Westminster parties are weaker than they have ever been”
- “this morning support for independence stands at 54%”
- “they can only have a second referendum if the UK government decides to grant it”
A polished keynote report built around Swinney's 'stars are aligning' message, his personal appeal as a father, and policy pledges. It framed the speech as a personal response to Burnham's unionist appeal.
- “Scotland is no city, we are no region, we are a nation and soon we will be an independent nation”
- “the referendum campaign on Scottish independence has already begun”
- “Both men are trying to win hearts, both know that's only half the battle”
A brief conference close report that listed Swinney's policy pledges on buses, misogyny, child poverty and the EU. It gave little space to the referendum route or Burnham's opposition.
- “John Swinney has told the SNP conference that Scotland is ready to be independent”
- “In Holyrood, the Westminster parties are weaker than they have ever been”
- “pledged to bring buses back under public control”
A very short news read on Swinney's claim that the second referendum campaign has already begun. It carried his 'stars are aligning' line but did not add analysis or context.
- “Scotland's First Minister John Swinney says the second referendum campaign for independence has already begun”
- “in Edinburgh Cardiff and Belfast every First Minister now supports our nation's right to self-determination”
- “He's told the SNP conference in Aberdeen that this year's been a turning point in the country's journey towards stated”
Post-speech analysis that praised Swinney's confident performance but stressed the lack of a real plan for achieving a referendum and the gap between SNP optimism and a divided public. It noted polling around 50/50.
- “John Swinney says he wants another referendum by the end of 2031”
- “But there's still no real plan for how exactly he'll achieve one”
- “if you look at polls about 50 50 still”
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